Dark Bending Forms

[sokkaguy101]

Waterbending:
- Pulling the Water out of someone, causing fatal damage to organs and limbs
- Bloodbending, as you all no
- Freezing the blood/water in someone, obviously killing them

Earthbending
- Filling someones body with sand/mud and spreading it through their body

Firebending
- Lightening

Airbending
- Creating a Vaccum around their opponent, suffocating them
- Pulling the air out of the opponents body, causing organ damage/failure

What do you guys think of these? Im not saying they are cannon, but there what i think could be done in the Avatar Universe behind the Nick censorship. Please feel free to agree, disagree and add thoughts of dark/evil bending moves...

[sparticus]

I wouldn't go with that for Earthbending. For my money, a dark form of Earthbending would be to bend a person's bones.

Also, the freezing all of someone's water wouldn't necessarily kill them (atleast in a final sense). That is basically the idea behind cryogenics, the person could possibly be dethawed and be just fine. Now, boiling all the water in someone, that can be all kinds of dark.

Also, I'd think Airbenders could force a large burst of air into someone's lungs, causing them to explode.

Depending on what you feel firebending actually controls, you might actually to be able to just stop the life energy of a person with advanced firebending.

[aquabender]

An Earthbender could probably shape a guillotine or spear out of metal or even rock/crystal, and dismember body parts or impale somebody.

A Waterbender could do so much, considering the human body's consistency of so much water and fluid. They could freeze and quickly thaw their fluids to shock them into cardiac arrest; they could boil their blood; they could dehydrate them by pulling fluid out of their mucous membranes (mouth, nose, eyes).

A Firebender could raise someone's internal body temperature to well over 98.6, the results of which could be obvious. Hypothalmus destroyed=internal equilibrium destroyed=death.

Airbenders can remove enough breathable air away from someone's head, suffocating them. They could also cause one's lungs to implode or explode...either would be devastating. Also...AIRBENDING SLICE!!!

>_>

[Pleh]

I wouldn't go with that for Earthbending. For my money, a dark form of Earthbending would be to bend a person's bones.

Also, the freezing all of someone's water wouldn't necessarily kill them (atleast in a final sense). That is basically the idea behind cryogenics, the person could possibly be dethawed and be just fine. Now, boiling all the water in someone, that can be all kinds of dark.

Also, I'd think Airbenders could force a large burst of air into someone's lungs, causing them to explode.

Depending on what you feel firebending actually controls, you might actually to be able to just stop the life energy of a person with advanced firebending.

I don't think Earthbenders can bend living bone. The trick to Earthbending is whether or not an Earthbender can think of it as earth.
Pretty much only fossilized bones would be close enough to earth to be bended in such a way.

Also, freezing someone may not kill them, but how do you thaw someone "the right way" in a world as technologically unadvanced as the Avatarverse?
Even today, freezing people isn't the hard part. It's the thawing back out part that we're still working out.

Airbenders do not make air. They move it. They usually move it in the same manner as the nature of wind.
But exploding someone's lungs with air would mean either pushing too much air into their lungs or else causing the air to rapidly expand.
Neither of these techniques are in keeping with the ways of Airbending.
It would almost be more accurate to call Airbenders Windbenders.

I agree with you on the Firebending, however.
I don't know about simply stopping life itself, but I believe that they could rob a person of their body heat.

[Renori Fa]

Personally I love them. I love all the types of dark bending. But have you cosidered airbenders to bend the oxygen in somebody's veins so they can bloodbend?

And for earthbending, I think the dark side would be idk maybe crushing someone with the tiny amount of dirt on them (everybody has a little dust)

and firebending, maybe it could be like heat bending, where you can make someone have a fever lol. or fatal fever. thats more dark.

[sparticus]

If you consider that earth is just a random collection of minerals and raw elements, then bone bending does make sense. Since bone is almost exclusively calcium, an earthbender bending that specific mineral in a person could collapse them at will.

No, today finding someone to test on is the hard part. You can't cryogenitically freeze someone, its called murder, and its illegal. And if you consider that a water bender who is capable of freezing someone's entire amount of water (a process that takes days under normal freezing methods) instantly they are probably pretty powerful. That same bender would then be able to slowly unfreeze, in a more specific and directed manner, a person's heart, veins/arteries, organs, brain, other tissues and finally the unimportant extremities could bring a person back to life without much damage. Add in some internal healing capabilities along the way and bam, you're no longer a humansicle.

I never said make air inside their bodies, I said force a large burst of air INTO their lungs. As in when they open their mouths, bam, 4 cubic feet of air right down the windpipe. Cue gross squishy explosion soundtrack and they're gone.

If firebending controls the actual generation of heat, then they could stop the use of calories in a person instantly. This would cause the person to starve to death rather quickly, if the suffocation of not being able to break oxygen bonds in the cells didn't kill them first.

[Pleh]

I think both of you are putting too much science into it.
The real problem with those kinds of bending is not that our science doesn't back it up.
The problem is that the Avatarverse doesn't have our science.

The Airbenders are just what their name suggests, powerofinsanity,airbenders.
Not oxygenbenders.
Oxygen is an element present in many substances other than air. (Notably water.)
By the time the oxygen is in your bloodstream, it is so different from the air around us that an airbender would most certainly not be able to bend it.
They don't bend atoms, they generate wind.

I can see I misunderstood you, sparticus. But the Airbender would need more than just to have his opponent open his mouth.
Think about it. Ramming air down someone's throat with enough power to burst their lungs will likely knock them over as if you had hit them in the face with a shovel before the air pressure could become great enough to tear their lungs.

The problem with bonebending is the same as metalbending used to be except on a much bigger level.
We know that metal comes from the earth. They kind of knew that too, but they just hadn't put two and two together yet.
The important step was when Toph was able to apply what she knew of earthbending to metalbending.
The problem with bonebending is that bone would look and feel nothing like earth to an earthbender except that it's solid.
They don't know that bone is primarily made of Calcium.
Heck, they don't even know that Calcium's a metal for that matter.
They've only just discovered that metal can be bended at all.
In order to bonebend, they'd have to see bone as earth and the only bone that even comes close is fossilized bone.

[sokkaguy101]

For once in my life, im agreeing with pleh there, about the bone bending and the lung exploding technique...

Bone is not Earth, its bone. They would possibly be able to bend fossilized bones, but they would take millions of years to become fossilized...

[airbenderautumn]

???i dunno about any airbending dark moves because isnt that the whole reason why they where wiped out? coz they didnt have any finishing moves. ???

[Pleh]

No, they were not wiped out because of a lack of finishing moves.
Would you say that the Earthbenders have no finishing move?
Because the EK was just about to suffer the same fate as the Air Nomads there at the end of the season.
Is the mighty Earth Kingdom too weak?

No, the Fire Nation was super-powered by the comet and determined to kill.
That, and the Air Nomads were already the smallest nation of the Four by population.
There weren't that many to get rid of.

It's true that the monks emphasized pacifism, but some would argue that such a pursuit indicates true strength.
In fact, I believe that was the ultimate point of the finale.

[airbenderautumn]

:Pi spose with earthbending you could crush somebody to death, cover yourself in rock then punch them, make em go underground and stay there and other stuff :P

[sokkaguy101]

Thats a very good point Pleh, Aangs decision to not kill Ozai just signifies and strengthens the Pacifisity (sp?) of the Air Nomads.

[forge]

Airbending
- Creating a Vaccum around their opponent, suffocating them

You'd actually make them explode, but I suppose you could suffocate them as well.

[Griffin]

Ehm. What is this thread really about? How do you define moves as dark? Is electrocuting someone worse than burning them?

Just not really seeing the point of this thread.

[kingroku]

i spose with earthbending you could crush somebody to death, cover yourself in rock then punch them, make em go underground and stay there and other stuff

This threads really brutal xD

Airbending
- Pulling the air out of the opponents body, causing organ damage/failure

Air is normally trapped in the blood cells so that might be pretty hard to do unless your a waterbender.

[Pleh]

I doubt that an Airbender could generate a vacuum powerful enough to make the blood boil quickly enough to cause an explosion.
An Airbending vacuum would more likely be a ball of rapidly moving air, like a vacuum cleaner's vacuum.

When Truffle says "pulling the air out of someone" I'm sure he means the air that's still in gas form. (Like the air in your lungs)
Not the oxygen carried by the bloodcells.
At that point, it's not really air anymore.
Especially since air is mostly nitrogen rather than oxygen anyway.
Airbenders don't bend true elements. They bend the gaseous, molecular mixture that air is.

And by "dark bending" I believe Truffle means techniques designed to kill or otherwise overpower.
Specifically, powers that most good and decent people wouldn't want to use because of their morality or ethics.
I'll leave it up to admins to determine if this is a worthy subject.

[Prince_Zuko]

pleh stop trying to act smart, it's a simple question and you always seem to put to much thought into it. Besides that though, Truffle those are some really interesting ideas, especially the one about suffocating the person by removing the air in their lungs.

[Pleh]

Stop trying to act smart

I'm sorry. What's wrong with thinking something all the way through?
I don't see it as overthinking. I'm taking a thought to it's logical conclusion.
Just imagine what would have happened to Iroh if he had not thought his lightning-redirection technique all the way through before trying it.
If he just thought, "I'll catch it and throw it back", he surely wouldn't have thought of the problem of it passing through his heart.
New and undeveloped techniques need a lot of thought.

I don't mean to tear other people down by "acting smart".
My intention is to get everyone thinking about what would actually happen.

Part of my desire to see a thought to the end derives from one of my favorite aspects of Avatar:
Mike and Bryan always thought things through.

If my posts or my words seem fancy or long, I'm not showing off, I'm trying to make sure I'm understood and get my point across.
When I was newer to this forum, I tended to use shorter posts.
I found my arguments frequently being torn apart for a poor choice of words or a simple misunderstanding of my meaning.
That's why I post long with big words.
I'm trying to get my meaning across the first time.
That, and I want to think things all the way through the first time and let other people counter my thoughts.

I'm sorry if it's abrasive to you, but this is how I am.

[forge]

I doubt that an Airbender could generate a vacuum powerful enough to make the blood boil quickly enough to cause an explosion.

Blood boil? Who said anything about boiling?

An Airbending vacuum would more likely be a ball of rapidly moving air, like a vacuum cleaner's vacuum.

That's lowered air pressure, not a vacuum.

Look up the definition of vacuum. Mount Everest is not a vacuum.

[Pleh]

People do not spontaneously explode just because they're in a vacuum.
The reason they might explode is the the fact that the difference in pressure between their body and a vacuum would cause their blood to boil almost instantly.
Whenever something changes from liquid to gas, it expands, taking up a larger volume.
So, if your blood boiled completely instantly, you would explode.
That's why someone might explode in a vacuum.
(the other reason is that humans carry a significant amount of air in their lungs that their lungs could explode if they didn't exhale and allow the air to leave them.)

And no, low air pressure does not equal vacuum.
However, we all know that a "vacuum" cleaner does not generate an actual vacuum.
It "sucks" with enough force to generate a relative vacuum.
The true source of a vacuum's force comes from the difference in pressure between the vacuum and an object.
Our universe seeks equilibrium and balance by nature, pressure is one way it attempts to achieve this.
With pressure, generally the two different pressures, once in contact, will move towards each other and find a total pressure somewhere in the middle.
(at this new equilibrium, the two pressures need not be necessarily equal, but that's getting a little off track.)

The thing about a vacuum like space is that its so much larger than us that the change in pressure our bodies would cause in space would be insanely negligible.

However, even the change in pressure would not necessarily hurt someone if it changed very slowly and gradually.
That's the difference with Mount Everest.
You slowly and gradually get up that high. Your body has time to achieve the required equilibrium non-violently.
But remember that deep-sea divers must be careful how fast they rise to the surface.
It's common knowledge that surfacing too quickly can sometimes boil your blood.
The reason? Too much change in pressure too quickly.

My conclusion is that an Airbender would not need to generate an actual, true vacuum like space in order to achieve the desired effect.
Simply changing the air pressure around a person quickly enough by moving it in a circle with incredible velocity could produce the same effect as a vacuum if executed properly.
In addition, I believe that a true vacuum would be beyond the capabilities of an airbender.
(That's another argument we can discuss later if you want, this post is long enough already.)

PS, I don't mean to assume that you don't know the science I'm talking about here.
That's not why I went to such depth about it.
I simply wanted to be clear about what I was saying and I can't assume everyone here has had a science class (preferably physics) already.
I'm not trying to lecture anyone. I'm telling you why I believe what I believe.

[sparticus]

Divers surface slowly because if they don't the risk a lethal amount of nitrogen building up in their blood/brain that would kill them. The slow rise is to allow the excess nitrogen to be expelled through their lungs.

And a fast depressurization, like from space ship to actual space, would cause some explosions in a person. Eyes, smaller blood vessels, heart, lungs, colon, and maybe some of the organs richer in blood will actually explode as the gaseous compounds in the blood, cells, and general body cavities expand.

The Everest climb isn't done slowly because of pressure, its because of oxygen. In an oxygen low environment the body makes more red blood cells to carry as much oxygen as possible through the body. By pausing for a few weeks at different elevations the climber's blood gets more red blood cells allowing them to breathe easier as they ascend.

This is the same reason why athletes train at higher elevations (see the olympic training grounds in Colorado Springs, and why Lance Armstrong trains in Leadville, Colorado). The more oxygen that can reach their muscles the better the performance. So if you train in low oxygen your body creates more blood cells, then when you go compete at low altitudes your body is able to supply a significantly larger amount of oxygen during extreme needs. So you burn energy faster, better, longer.

Please don't explain science when you don't grasp them yourself.

[forge]

I find it funny that pleh feels the need to write a truncated science essay.

I find it funny that sparticus takes it so seriously.


For God's sakes, we're discussing explosive decompression in the context of a children's show?

[Renori Fa]

I find it funny that pleh feels the need to write a truncated science essay.

I find it funny that sparticus takes it so seriously.


For God's sakes, we're discussing explosive decompression in the context of a children's show?

Haha, your right.
"Well you could crush them totally, or turn them into a prune.."

lol, it is funny

[sparticus]

I find it funny that you decide to post without adding anything to the conversation.

And you're on the internet discussing that same children's show with a bunch of other people. Honestly, its amusing to consider different stuff, don't harsh on it.

[forge]

I find it funny that you decide to post without adding anything to the conversation.

It is useful. I'm showing the simple humor of taking something too far.

But I guess you wouldn't appreciate the joke, would you?

And you're on the internet discussing that same children's show with a bunch of other people. Honestly, its amusing to consider different stuff, don't harsh on it.

The difference being that I don't take it seriously. Or, at least, I don't take it seriously where I shouldn't.

Discussing the plots, relationships, and characters of a children's show? Cool. Discussing who's the stronger bender or which bending is the strongest. Cool. Discussing the physics of explosive decompression? Heh.

Even better, you're getting down to belittling people... because they don't know that gases in your blood diffuse out after a drop in pressure?