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Re: The Last Airbender: The Legend of Korra General Speculat

Postby mooseandbri » Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:49 pm

I get this strange feeling that energy bending will be brought up and that the chi-blocking people will learn about it and try to use it against the benders and eventually move on to the Avatar .... how they might do this? I really really don't know but I feel like the writers are going to mess with our heads about that and make us see the Avatar world in a crazy, different way. I just think it would be cool to see how they connect the chi-blocking with the energy bending... I just hope they explain more on both the subjects and how they work (in depth anyways). :D
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Re: The Last Airbender: The Legend of Korra General Speculat

Postby Tiny » Tue Aug 02, 2011 2:23 am

Poi wrote:was there any mention of Azula in all this?? :D


POOOOOIIIIIIIII

Not that I know of ._. But she's probably old, decrepit, and still insane. I expect her to be in the series as some sort of comic relief/minor villain eventually.
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Re: The Last Airbender: The Legend of Korra General Speculat

Postby Pleh » Tue Aug 02, 2011 2:51 am

tinyartist18 wrote:sympathy =/= support.


Actually, it sort of DOES. Why do you think we have "sympathy" cards in walmart? The entire idea of sympathy connotates that your emotions and worldview support the other person's position. Even if you are not in a position to help that person, expressing sympathy is a form of support. Of course there are degrees of support, so I'm not saying that I think you would fully support the Equalists, but you get the idea.

tinyartist18 wrote:And I don't think that we know enough about them to make any particular determination, which is why I said that as of right now, I do sympathize with their cause. I feel (the word I used) for them because, frankly, there is a favor for bending in that world. Who wouldn't be annoyed/want justice?


This assumes that a system or world in which some people have talents, skills, and abilities not available to everyone is an unfair or unjust system. Since in the real world, such skills and talents are indeed imbalanced, I don't see why people think they should be. So I think the answer to your question is, I wouldn't. I would be happy as a non-bender in a world with benders. I might wish I was a bender at times, but I certainly wouldn't feel like the world owed me equality.

tinyartist18 wrote:And of course they are going to be villainous. I don't expect to support them. But because they're now called "Equalists" and not "anti-benders" it does evoke at least some sympathy for them.


Of course not. Very few armies of evil lackeys ever fight for the cause and sake of evil. Stormtroopers in Star Wars operated for the good of the Galaxy and many truly believed that the Empire was simply the best course of action to protect the galaxy and eliminate crime and suffering (though they DID tend to take dissenting opinions rather personally and react rather harshly).

Hence, if you don't believe what you're doing is a negative thing, why would your organization have a negative sounding name? Equalists is more refined and, as you pointed out, gains more sympathy from people who hear it. Their cause is more likely to succeed if they are unimpeded by masses of people who don't like "radicals," especially if they can find a few people here and there who might even help them out of sympathy, unaware of all the various things the Equalists might be doing which the sympathizers would object to if the knew about them.

tinyartist18 wrote:They may end up being Machiavellian - I'm sure some of them will be - or terrible or terrorist etc etc etc. And obviously, I don't think that killing the Avatar, or anyone for that matter, is the best course of action, nor the right one. But that doesn't mean that their justification isn't quite admirable.


See, that's what I completely disagree with. I find their justification abhorrent like a murderer who hides a body and pretends to be innocent. Not to mention that I'm betting Omanavonavonmelonlord has a more sinister design than simply bringing "equality."

tinyartist18 wrote:And I feel for most people, regardless of their actions. I have felt pain for serial killers, and I don't expect it to change for a fictional group, especially when their actions seem a bit less concrete (they haven't quite done anything yet). Also, we have been told (I believe. I may be wrong) that Ty Lee's techniques have been spread around the world. Maybe they'll use that. I won't judge them either way until 2012, but like I said, I feel for their cause. I don't intend to hate them just yet.


Nor do I intend to say that you shouldn't sympathize with them. Bryke might be able to turn this whole thing on it's head and make the Equalists into terrible victims only taking the only option available to them. If that's the case, they'll certainly deserve pity and sympathy. Sympathy for evil people isn't wrong (in fact, I believe that very concept is the core of Compassion which Jesus tried to teach people to have), though sympathy with evil intentions (as opposed to evil people) may be an indication that you yourself are evil.

The thing about the Equalists that earns my ire is their sickening attempt to justify their actions as if we ought to sympathize and support them on a moral level. Not only do I find their cause horrifying, I detest their motives, tactics, and justification.

However, I do admire them in a literary sense that I love villains. They are wonderfully fun to hate, which makes me love them as a plot element.

tinyartist18 wrote:I wasn't referring to the Equalists when I said this. Rather, I was interested more with the information that two people from different nations can have children, and the children receive a bending element of only one of the nations. And neither does there have to be a mutant gene. In fact, I would doubt that it would be a mutant gene, considering a significant portion of that world bends. It may have - if it was genetic - started as a mutant gene, but I don't think it would any longer be considered such. This, of course, does not discount any argument for spirituality, it just provides further factors with which we can analyze the situation.


I think that it was obvious from the start that they would only gain the ability to bend a single element, but maybe that was just me. The whole "Steambending" with Zutara kids never made sense to me. Neither did "dual bending." In my mind, if Dual Benders were the way that worked, then shouldn't we have already seen some in the show?

I'm not sure what else you might have thought would happen, but what we see in Mako and Bolin seemed like the intuitive solution to me.
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Re: The Last Airbender: The Legend of Korra General Speculat

Postby Tiny » Tue Aug 02, 2011 3:40 pm

Pleh wrote: Actually, it sort of DOES. Why do you think we have "sympathy" cards in walmart? The entire idea of sympathy connotates that your emotions and worldview support the other person's position. Even if you are not in a position to help that person, expressing sympathy is a form of support. Of course there are degrees of support, so I'm not saying that I think you would fully support the Equalists, but you get the idea.


I pretty strongly disagree. One is an emotion, the other is action. Yes, my emotions and my worldview do support their position, but I do not support their actions. I don't want this to become a political debate, but it's similar to me sympathizing with the debt ceiling nonsense - I get where they are coming from, but I don't think they are doing the right thing.

Pleh wrote: This assumes that a system or world in which some people have talents, skills, and abilities not available to everyone is an unfair or unjust system. Since in the real world, such skills and talents are indeed imbalanced, I don't see why people think they should be. So I think the answer to your question is, I wouldn't. I would be happy as a non-bender in a world with benders. I might wish I was a bender at times, but I certainly wouldn't feel like the world owed me equality.


Alright, let's bring the spirituality/genetics debate up again. Non-benders are nearly second-class citizens (we haven't seen slaves, or a huge patriarchal basis in the whole of society, so it's safe to assume that worldwide, there is a tendency to favor benders). Let's say there is a "bending" gene. There is also a "gene" for melanin production, which makes black people black (amoung other things, but it is a safe generalization to say that it is genetic). Is it right to favor whites over blacks? That's not discrimination, no, but that's a bias towards one group over another, based solely on their genetic construct. Similarly, if it's spiritual, which it well may be, then that's like favoring one religion over all others. This has happened in many societies, as Christianity has been the most popular religion for the majority of recent history. However, many societies make an effort not to favor Christians over other groups. Some do, but is that right either way? It has nothing to do with talent, I don't think. Yes, a talented bender may be valued above a non-talented bender, but both would be valued above a non-bender.

Pleh wrote: See, that's what I completely disagree with. I find their justification abhorrent like a murderer who hides a body and pretends to be innocent. Not to mention that I'm betting Omanavonavonmelonlord has a more sinister design than simply bringing "equality."


Oh, absolutely. I'm sure of that, definitely. He reminds me a bit of Uchiha Madara already, although I'm not sure if that's the mask. But we don't know about their ulterior motives. Either way, I doubt that the majority of Equalists are privy to that plan.

Pleh wrote: Nor do I intend to say that you shouldn't sympathize with them. Bryke might be able to turn this whole thing on it's head and make the Equalists into terrible victims only taking the only option available to them. If that's the case, they'll certainly deserve pity and sympathy. Sympathy for evil people isn't wrong (in fact, I believe that very concept is the core of Compassion which Jesus tried to teach people to have), though sympathy with evil intentions (as opposed to evil people) may be an indication that you yourself are evil.


Well, I guess that depends on how you interpret a longing for equality. I interpret it as just, which is why I do sympathize with their reasons. If they pulled a Martin Luther King Jr.-esque peace protest approach, I'd probably paint myself their colors and start cheering them on entirely. But as of right now, it is implied that they will use violence, which I do not condone as the right way to get something cultural or political. There are *so many* real-world parallels in the search for equality that frankly, I can't help but sympathize with their reasons. And the striving for justice is not Socialist or Communist, that implies that they would form a proletariat and rise up against the upper classes to reform the economic system such that everyone receives an equal piece of the economic pie until government is no longer needed and the world will become a finely-tuned clock with all economic and governmental systems securely in place. Rather, I see it as closer to Democracy, or to Republic, where all people are equal in the eyes of the law, and in the culture.

What we've seen, and what has been an apt study is that the military organizations actually reflect the culture of the world, and participate as a catalyst to reform the way that people see others. When blacks were allowed into the military in the Civil War, that was almost immediately prior to the emancipation of slavery and the following support that it received from the Northern States; when the military was desegregationalized, that was almost immediately prior to blacks gaining equal rights. This has actually grown in interest recently because DADT was abolished. In recent A:TLA history, the only military that we have seen to actually utilize properly their nonbenders in a fairly equal situation was the water tribe, but they had their own patriarchal issues. In the FN, the nonbenders were almost always the spear-wielders, the redshirts of the army. I don't think I've seen many EK army members who are non-bending, and we know that the AN and the Dai Li were both entirely bending. Because of the parallels in the world, I don't think that I can see this any other way.

Another parallel: Do you sympathize with the Egyptian protesters? Do you condone their actions of violence?

Pleh wrote:I think that it was obvious from the start that they would only gain the ability to bend a single element, but maybe that was just me. The whole "Steambending" with Zutara kids never made sense to me. Neither did "dual bending." In my mind, if Dual Benders were the way that worked, then shouldn't we have already seen some in the show?

I'm not sure what else you might have thought would happen, but what we see in Mako and Bolin seemed like the intuitive solution to me.


But that's the thing. I take it as a huge evidence for genetics. I'll make that post in the genetics board later, but short story: there are codominant genes, where not only one gene is "dominant." As I said in my long-ago post (I believe), let's assume that bending is dominant (or recessive, not that it matters much, because there are also corecessive genes). The way genetics works is that a person can receive *one* of the genes, and since the parents would carry those genes (bender or not), then it's certainly plausible and very likely the case. My interest is to find out what their parents were, bending or non-bending, because that would make it more interesting.
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Re: The Last Airbender: The Legend of Korra General Speculat

Postby Pleh » Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:57 pm

tinyartist18 wrote:I pretty strongly disagree. One is an emotion, the other is action. Yes, my emotions and my worldview do support their position, but I do not support their actions. I don't want this to become a political debate, but it's similar to me sympathizing with the debt ceiling nonsense - I get where they are coming from, but I don't think they are doing the right thing.


I never intended to say that you supported their actions, which leads me to believe that we aren't truly in a disagreement here, but only a misunderstanding or miscommunication. Honestly, whether or not you view the experience of emotions and choice of worldview as active or passive actions is the only thing I think we have not come to the same conclusion on.

I suppose my only point here is that one may *choose* to sympathize with another person or not. Many people feel that they are not in control of their emotions, but I am not among them. How you feel is very much a choice just as any external actions you take are. It's true that emotions are more instinctive and reactive than many of our other choices and actions, but the ability to control your emotions and your worldview is the more general case of Inner Strength that Iroh was talking about (he was speaking more specifically to the emotion of despair, but it can be applied to many other emotions too).

tinyartist18 wrote:Alright, let's bring the spirituality/genetics debate up again. Non-benders are nearly second-class citizens (we haven't seen slaves, or a huge patriarchal basis in the whole of society, so it's safe to assume that worldwide, there is a tendency to favor benders). Let's say there is a "bending" gene. There is also a "gene" for melanin production, which makes black people black (amoung other things, but it is a safe generalization to say that it is genetic). Is it right to favor whites over blacks? That's not discrimination, no, but that's a bias towards one group over another, based solely on their genetic construct. Similarly, if it's spiritual, which it well may be, then that's like favoring one religion over all others. This has happened in many societies, as Christianity has been the most popular religion for the majority of recent history. However, many societies make an effort not to favor Christians over other groups. Some do, but is that right either way? It has nothing to do with talent, I don't think. Yes, a talented bender may be valued above a non-talented bender, but both would be valued above a non-bender.


Ah, you are talking about social favoritism and discrimination. In that case, it's true that all people should be treated equally with exception only in regards to responsibility they have taken upon themselves (such as being a police officer or doctor). However, I don't remember seeing any SOCIAL discrimination against non-benders in Avatar. The closest I can think of is either the gAang making fun of Sokka (which they would have done based on their relationship with him regardless of even if their bending status had been inverted) and the fact that all of the Fire Nation Nobility were the best of the best firebenders (though that has more to do with tradition than a dislike of nonbenders, so it gets a little more complicated). Furthermore, the EK didn't require their King to be a bender, so I'd hardly consider there to be any widespread problem.

tinyartist18 wrote:Well, I guess that depends on how you interpret a longing for equality.


It also depends on what KIND of equality. Absolute equality can only be accomplished with perfect clones which never do anything different from anyone else. Since that's not possible, then the only thing mankind all shares equally is death. Life has a 100% mortality rate, you know.

tinyartist18 wrote:I interpret it as just, which is why I do sympathize with their reasons. If they pulled a Martin Luther King Jr.-esque peace protest approach, I'd probably paint myself their colors and start cheering them on entirely. But as of right now, it is implied that they will use violence, which I do not condone as the right way to get something cultural or political. There are *so many* real-world parallels in the search for equality that frankly, I can't help but sympathize with their reasons. And the striving for justice is not Socialist or Communist, that implies that they would form a proletariat and rise up against the upper classes to reform the economic system such that everyone receives an equal piece of the economic pie until government is no longer needed and the world will become a finely-tuned clock with all economic and governmental systems securely in place. Rather, I see it as closer to Democracy, or to Republic, where all people are equal in the eyes of the law, and in the culture.


Well, again, I have yet to see any *social* discrimination against nonbenders. People seemed to revere benders as lucky or blessed, but there was no inherent social disadvantage for nonbenders that I could see.

tinyartist18 wrote:What we've seen, and what has been an apt study is that the military organizations actually reflect the culture of the world, and participate as a catalyst to reform the way that people see others. When blacks were allowed into the military in the Civil War, that was almost immediately prior to the emancipation of slavery and the following support that it received from the Northern States; when the military was desegregationalized, that was almost immediately prior to blacks gaining equal rights. This has actually grown in interest recently because DADT was abolished. In recent A:TLA history, the only military that we have seen to actually utilize properly their nonbenders in a fairly equal situation was the water tribe, but they had their own patriarchal issues. In the FN, the nonbenders were almost always the spear-wielders, the redshirts of the army. I don't think I've seen many EK army members who are non-bending, and we know that the AN and the Dai Li were both entirely bending. Because of the parallels in the world, I don't think that I can see this any other way.


An awfully tenuous theory and point, but well made. I never saw any strong discrimination against non-benders in any of the military actions we saw. It was more like benders were more capable warriors and their role in the military reflected that.

tinyartist18 wrote:Another parallel: Do you sympathize with the Egyptian protesters? Do you condone their actions of violence?


I'll be honest, I never really followed that stuff. I heard about it, but wasn't it just rebellion against a tyrannical and oppressive dictator? Seemed to me that violence was going to happen anyway and they decided to rip it off rather than let it be pulled slowly.

tinyartist18 wrote:But that's the thing. I take it as a huge evidence for genetics. I'll make that post in the genetics board later, but short story: there are codominant genes, where not only one gene is "dominant." As I said in my long-ago post (I believe), let's assume that bending is dominant (or recessive, not that it matters much, because there are also corecessive genes). The way genetics works is that a person can receive *one* of the genes, and since the parents would carry those genes (bender or not), then it's certainly plausible and very likely the case. My interest is to find out what their parents were, bending or non-bending, because that would make it more interesting.


That sounds like the kind of evidence that can only yield a negative or inconclusive result. If Genetics is the source of bending, then the case of Mako/Bolin MUST be possible. However, I don't see it making Genetics more likely than Spirituality. The fact that Mako/Bolin each can bend separate elements is something I believe BOTH theories would have claimed. Therefore, the evidence yields an inconclusive result, but the significance is that it does NOT yield a negative result.

I agree with "certainly plausible," but not "very likely the case" for the reason that this doesn't make it any more likely than Spirituality.

To be honest, this result could even imply a hybrid theory to be the truth, that either spirituality causes genetics or vice versa. The truth is that both theories could have predicted this result, making neither preferable.
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Re: The Last Airbender: The Legend of Korra General Speculat

Postby Tiny » Tue Aug 02, 2011 10:46 pm

Pleh-I suppose my only point here is that one may *choose* to sympathize with another person or not. Many people feel that they are not in control of their emotions, but I am not among them. How you feel is very much a choice just as any external actions you take are. It's true that emotions are more instinctive and reactive than many of our other choices and actions, but the ability to control your emotions and your worldview is the more general case of Inner Strength that Iroh was talking about (he was speaking more specifically to the emotion of despair, but it can be applied to many other emotions too).[/quote]

I'm sure it could certainly be a misunderstanding, maybe reconciled by the word "empathize" instead of "sympathize," for communication's sake. Although.. I did choose to empathize with the Equalists. It was an innate feeling that I sat down and worked my way through fairly logically. It's not out of random emotion that I think the cause is admirable.

[quote="Pleh wrote:
Ah, you are talking about social favoritism and discrimination. In that case, it's true that all people should be treated equally with exception only in regards to responsibility they have taken upon themselves (such as being a police officer or doctor). However, I don't remember seeing any SOCIAL discrimination against non-benders in Avatar. The closest I can think of is either the gAang making fun of Sokka (which they would have done based on their relationship with him regardless of even if their bending status had been inverted) and the fact that all of the Fire Nation Nobility were the best of the best firebenders (though that has more to do with tradition than a dislike of nonbenders, so it gets a little more complicated). Furthermore, the EK didn't require their King to be a bender, so I'd hardly consider there to be any widespread problem.


I don't talk about discrimination, but rather about favoritism, which is almost just as bad. It goes beyond reverence, into blatant bias. The EK king was a figurehead, who seemed to be fairly distant to all but nobles, so while it is a good point, it seems irrelevant to the masses. I speak not of nonbenders being harassed or beaten, or denied privileges (although that may have happened in the years following Aang, I quite doubt it) but instead of the social bias. It may be because I've been interested in these social mechanisms for a while (I suggest reading Black Like Me, which describes outright discrimination, followed by White Like Me - although I haven't gotten too far, it is thusfar quite astute regarding these issues).
Even if none of that is true, society does change, especially in seventy years. Aang was a great avatar, absolutely. But why fight for something if there's no problem? If Avon/Navon/Melon Lord was able to inspire a group of people to fight for this, I would assume that there is a pattern of bender-favoritism.

Pleh]It also depends on what KIND of equality. Absolute equality can only be accomplished with perfect clones which never do anything different from anyone else. Since that's not possible, then the only thing mankind all shares equally is death.[/quote]
Does that mean that we should stop aiming for it? I can't ever be a perfect person, but I can try. There will never be a perfect government, but humankind sure has tried. There will never, ever be perfect equality - but I think that we can still try. I think that Equalists have every right and reason to try for it - their methods are another matter, but their reasoning seems sound to me.

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To be honest, this result could even imply a hybrid theory to be the truth, that either spirituality causes genetics or vice versa. The truth is that both theories could have predicted this result, making neither preferable.


There has been recent research detailing that the actions of ancestors can alter the DNA of the offspring. I'm not sure how applicable that is to the individual, especially since we've seen that benders are benders from the time that they were born, but it's worth looking into. I'd like, if you would indulge me, for you to detail again what you mean by spirituality, because that certainly could affect it.
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Postby Earth001 » Fri Aug 05, 2011 4:57 am

So I am wondering. Does anyone know any similarities between Haven City (Jak and Daxter) to United Republic?
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Postby Pleh » Sat Aug 06, 2011 5:29 pm

Earth001 wrote:So I am wondering. Does anyone know any similarities between Haven City (Jak and Daxter) to United Republic?


Never heard of Jak and Daxter before, but looking some stuff up makes it look like the cities are vaguely similar, but probably only by coincidence.

tinyartist18 wrote:I don't talk about discrimination, but rather about favoritism, which is almost just as bad. It goes beyond reverence, into blatant bias. The EK king was a figurehead, who seemed to be fairly distant to all but nobles, so while it is a good point, it seems irrelevant to the masses. I speak not of nonbenders being harassed or beaten, or denied privileges (although that may have happened in the years following Aang, I quite doubt it) but instead of the social bias. It may be because I've been interested in these social mechanisms for a while (I suggest reading Black Like Me, which describes outright discrimination, followed by White Like Me - although I haven't gotten too far, it is thusfar quite astute regarding these issues).
Even if none of that is true, society does change, especially in seventy years. Aang was a great avatar, absolutely. But why fight for something if there's no problem? If Avon/Navon/Melon Lord was able to inspire a group of people to fight for this, I would assume that there is a pattern of bender-favoritism.


You seem to have strong negative connotation on bias. The fact is that bias itself is so widespread and such a broad term that it's really not something that is inherently good or bad (morally). Everyone has bias (just as you seem to have a bias against bias) so I can't see bias in and of itself being a problem. Of course, when someone uses their bias to justify misdeeds against another person, that's actually prejudice and discrimination. The bias itself is not so much to blame as the choice of the person who has it to act on that bias in a morally apprehensible manner.

However, an important distinction MUST be made here. In our world, we feel a bit disillusioned about fate, destiny, and the idea that the "gods" favor certain people by blessing them with greater power or strength or intellect, etc. Avatar, however, actually has a stronger case supporting these ideas. In Avatar, there actually ARE people who have destinies in real and tangible ways. There are people more privileged than others in very spiritual ways.

My point in saying all this is simple: Does the Favoritism originate with the people who have bias, or does it originate with the Spirits giving favor to certain individuals, whose blessings are eventually recognized by other individuals as such? Is it really bias, or is it merely an observation and recognition of the will of the Spirits? The Spirit World is very real and very dynamic in the ATLA universe (arguably in ours too, but that's a whole can of worms in itself).

I suppose my question boils down to: What if benders are MEANT to be superior? What if they actually ARE? Then this is no longer a matter of bias or prejudice, but a matter of viewing the world as it actually is.

tinyartist18 wrote:There has been recent research detailing that the actions of ancestors can alter the DNA of the offspring. I'm not sure how applicable that is to the individual, especially since we've seen that benders are benders from the time that they were born, but it's worth looking into. I'd like, if you would indulge me, for you to detail again what you mean by spirituality, because that certainly could affect it.


Bwah. Taking into consideration the actions of several generations of ancestors probably introduces too many variables we know too little about. I'm a physicist. We strip down a model to it's simplest form for complete understanding of a single variable, then we add complicating factors and leave room for error. We haven't solved the three body problem yet. But what I'm saying in regard to this discussion is that while I recognize that that could certainly be applicable, I don't think we'd ever have much that we could say for sure about the situation with that kind of theory, especially since it is in a field which we cannot test. We can't have Sozin decide not to wipe out the Airbenders and then see how Zuko and Azula change DNA. While it may be a useful theory for mental exercises, I don't see much use for it in constructing a working theory with the capacity to predict future ATLA events.

It's been a while since I've been in the Spiritual vs Genetic debate, so I'm a bit rusty on all the points, but the first thing to keep in mind about the idea of spirituality is that it takes the matter out of the hands of science and throws it to the winds of mysticism. Because of this, Spirituality cannot determine how or why bending works the way it does (though neither can genetics, in a way). It becomes a scenario of mind over matter and your soul becomes the conduit rather than your flesh. This, of course, requires a definition of "soul," which I do not definitively have, but I would operate under the definition of "the energy within you" which defines who you are and is the essence of your being. Where Genetics uses Science to grasp and understand bending, Spirituality would use Philosophy and perhaps theology. That is actually part of the reason I favor it for the application towards bending because all of the masters of bending came to understand it based on philosophical standpoints. Granted, their scientific understanding of genetics was mostly non-existent, but I do have a reason for believing that Soul is the conduit of bending rather than flesh.

Ty Lee's technique proved that the body relies on Chi not only to bend, but to function on any level. Guru Pathik taught that Chi flowed through Chakra points in the body. The Lion Turtle confirmed that our bodies have an energy within ourselves (possibly chi in and of itself, though chi could be equated to soul for all we know). All of these pieces of evidence imply that some supernatural (actually, this is a misnomer since souls can actually be considered completely natural in this case, so a better word may be "extra-scientific") influence is implicit in all life forms.

Now why would this extra-scientific force be the source of bending as opposed to the body being the source of bending through which the "soul" may indirectly control bending? First off, let me point out that Zuko lost his bending when he lost sight of his inner fire. I really can't think of a genetic explanation for anything that happened in that episode and anything I can think of seems terribly far fetched and lacks any kind of actual evidence. If Bending is controlled directly by the soul, then that episode makes more sense since Zuko lost his bending as he lost sight of himself and his own essence of being (capturing the Avatar and restoring his honor) and he regained it when he found himself again (helping the Avatar restore balance to the world and particularly restoring honor to the Fire Nation by becoming the Firelord).

As my second case of evidence, allow me to use the Avatar. I know that's hardly a typical bender to choose for evidence, but I feel it still very applicable. The Avatar most of the time is nothing more than a representative, a single incarnation of a cosmic force and being. The Avatar State, however, allows the full manifestation of the Avatar's Soul. In fact, Spiritual arguments for the source of bending explain the Avatar State very readily. By connecting with all of his past lives which are souls in the Spirit World, the Avatar becomes as strong as each and every one of the Avatar's past lives combined. Since the Avatar's body is not becoming one with all of their past lives' bodies, it's clear that this extra power is not coming from the power of that person's flesh. However, if you say that the Soul is the actual conduit of Bending, then since the Avatar is the bridge between the Material World (where his bending is taking place) and the Spirit World (the plane of existence containing all of his past lives' souls), it only makes sense that the Avatar State is where the past lives and the current life becomes united as parts of a whole, effectively allowing the Avatar to take the form of a single Spirit which has actually been alive for literally thousands of generations. This naturally explains the incredible power and strength of the Avatar State. I keep using the word, "conduit," so in the case of the Avatar State, it's like having a huge system of conduits acting together to create a much more powerful conduit capable of vastly more power and work.

In fact, something that just occurred to me is that the Avatar makes quite a puzzle for the Genetic argument. Why is there only ever 1 of them in the entire population of the world, especially when they are probably never actually related to one another (meaning that they could not share genetic material)? Why is another one born the moment the previous one dies (genetically, this would imply some kind of dormant gene that activates only one other person's dormant gene through the sole trigger of the only other person in the world who has the gene active dying, not to mention that it can only activate at birth which I'm not sure how that works)?
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Postby Tera253 » Sun Sep 04, 2011 9:33 am

in other news... apparently that Aang statue was seen in the distance the entire time.
Take a close look at This Image if you don't believe me.

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Postby Pleh » Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:10 pm

Tera253 wrote:in other news... apparently that Aang statue was seen in the distance the entire time.
Take a close look at This Image if you don't believe me.

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Postby Tera253 » Mon Sep 05, 2011 6:45 pm

oh right. you use linux.
here you go.
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Postby Pleh » Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:18 pm

If it's not linux compatible, it wasn't worth seeing anyway. But I bet I wasn't the only one who couldn't see it.
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Postby Tera253 » Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:02 am

I'll remember that you called Legend of Korra not worth seeing, since that's what the picture was. ;)
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Postby Battery » Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:36 pm

I can't see it, and I use Windows. If it was hotlinked from AvatarSpirit, you're the sillyhead, Tera. AvatarSpirit doesn't allow hotlinking. :B

Back on topic... holy shiznits. I had that image as my background for a very, very, very long period of time, and I never realized that... simply because the only way you can infer that's what it is requires knowing of the statue's existence. Even now it requires a bit of eye squinting to really get it.
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Postby Tera253 » Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:43 pm

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I know better. real Avatards don't ever go to avatarspirit. [real badasses get their screencaps from iroh.org/piandao.org. better quality, more images, and no stupid logo]

but hurrdurr turns out that I screwed up some coding thingies. it should be fixed now.
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Postby Battery » Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:56 pm

I didn't think you would pull something silly like that (and iroh.org/piandao.org IS indeed badass).

Also, I like your edit.

Aaaaaaand, to keep it on topic yet again, I give you all some awesome fanart I found on DA. :B
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Postby arrige » Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:11 am

I am excited with how things are going to play out next. I mean, things were looking great with the first installment and I am excited to see how they are going to make things better and more enticing with the next installments.

I just think that they could do a lot better with the first one, still. I know a lot of people share the same sentiments with me, or at least to some degree for it.
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